Q: I wanted to talk to you about darkness. I’m curious if darkness is included in all of this or if it just lives in the self. We talk about ancient and it feels like darkness is also ancient. Is it something that needs to be moved away from, or it’s included or I should include it?
John: Include the darkness from that within you which has nothing to do with the darkness.
Q: And does the light have more value than darkness, or is it equal and they both live here?
John: They are not in the least equal. Darkness on its own isn’t able to be.
Q: So, darkness wouldn’t be darkness without the presence of light. Is that what you mean?
John: Darkness has no existence without awareness being separate from what it knows.
Q: So there’s no power there.
John: Yes.
Q: I would just give it power.
John: (Nods)
Q: So, any kind of fascination is unnecessary.
John: Any fascination with darkness is you buying into the perceived promise that is in darkness, a promise of power. There is power in darkness, but it isn’t an intrinsic power. It is separation power, power available to you without you having to be one with what you know; illicit power which allures only that which is separate from what it knows.
Q: So, once you said to me that pain takes me deeper than love does. Is that connected to this? Or do I use that?
John: Darkness is welcome in oneness, not because of what darkness is, but because there is separate awareness within the darkness. The darkness is welcome because of the awareness that is in it. Awareness, moving by way of darkness brought into oneness, is brought into what it knows and there it’s able to absolutely rest.
Q: So it is a pathway in? All my life, I’ve just been on this kind of intense journey of purifying darkness, and last week I had a brief, unusual encounter with my father that reminded me how the dark lives in me. So that’s kind of why I’m talking about it with you.
John: Darkness isn’t always going to be.
Q: Are you saying that eventually the darkness will be no longer?
John: In time, beyond time as you know it, yes.
Q: Is it more important to be with that than anything else?
John: Putting you in response to all there really is: what you know, which is what produces light.
